logicsrc/prd/0006-add-pay2seed-spec.md

openprd	id	title	status	authors	created	updated	repo	discussion	implementation	tags	supersedes	superseded-by
0.2	0006	Add pay2seed, paid2seed, pay2stream and paid2stream to the OpenSwarm family	Draft	anthony@profullstack.com	2026-09-05	2026-09-05	profullstack/logicsrc			openswarm pay2seed paid2seed pay2stream paid2stream iplive hls ipfile ippay ipdb bittorrent torlink bittorrented c0mpute

Problem

BitTorrent is the best distribution network ever built and it has never been a legitimate business, because two things are missing from the protocol. Nobody is paid to seed, so a swarm lives exactly as long as somebody feels like leaving a client open. And nothing about an upload says who put it there or whether they were allowed to, so every index is a pile of unattributed infohashes and every seeder is presumed to be doing something wrong.

OpenSwarm (PRD 0005) fixed the first half for encrypted media: ippay pays a seeder per verified piece served. It does not pay anyone to stay. A piece that nobody downloads this month earns nothing, so an archive, a backup, a dataset waiting for its buyer or a podcast's back catalogue is exactly as unfunded as it was before. ipfile.pin on c0mpute pays a storage node to hold a swarm, but only a c0mpute node, only for a private ipfile swarm, and only through c0mpute's auction.

The second half, consent, is not addressed anywhere. bittorrented.com indexes what the DHT crawl finds and runs a seedbox rental rail, and neither has a place for "I made this, here is the licence, here is where to send a notice". A user of ours who wants to share their own work, keep an off-site copy of their own data, or seed an openly licensed dataset for money has no way to say so that anyone else can check.

Naming

pay2* is the client protocol: the side that pays, over HTTPS, and plays. paid2* is the server protocol: the BitTorrent side that earns. One hub implements both halves of a pair; a requester or viewer client implements only pay2*; a seeder, relay or gateway implements only paid2*. The first draft of pay2seed carried both halves in one document and was split the same day.

Goals

• Consent is part of the upload. A signed attestation with a fixed set of bases (own, licensed, open-license, public-domain, personal) and a notice endpoint, without which no hub lists the swarm. Public claims get a claim window and a public standing; false ones are voided on notice and count against the requester.
• Anyone can pay to have anything kept. An offer escrows a budget at a hub for a swarm to be held for N days by M seeders at a price per GiB-month. Public offers cover vanilla torrents and ipdb feeds; private offers cover ipfile ciphertext.
• Anyone can be paid to keep it. A seeder takes a lease, proves each period by challenge or probe, and is paid per proven period through the same ippay payee it already has for vouchers. torlink's headless daemon is the reference client; a laptop qualifies.
• The market is one HTTP surface. GET /offers is what a client picks work from. bittorrented.com is the reference hub.
• Encryption on by default, access as the product. Private swarms are the default; teams, invitations, member grants via the hub as keeper, rotation on removal, and per-seat pricing are in the spec. Public is opt-out and rides the DHT for free.
• Reuse. Offers are bought like passes (x402, X-OpenSwarm-Payer), payouts are ippay §5.6, challenges are c0mpute's storage challenge, feeds are ipdb, events are the family envelope. One new document, six new record types, no new primitive.

Business model

Encryption is on by default: every private swarm is ipfile ciphertext under a key the requester holds. Seeding is priced at the cost of disk and is not where the money is. Access is. A requester invites team, group or organisation members, and the hub (as keeper) issues them grants to decrypt, at three in the morning, when the requester is offline, with an audit trail and rotation on removal. A few seats are free so a family or a three-person shop never pays; above that, seats and organisations are billed monthly through the same CoinPay rail as everything else. Public distribution is encryption switched off: a vanilla torrent that the DHT finds for nothing and that the hub never charges for.

Non-Goals

• Deciding what content is acceptable. The hub enforces that an attestation exists, is signed and is honoured on notice. Its truth is the requester's liability.
• Encrypting public swarms. Public is public; private is ipfile.
• A reputation system that crosses hubs. Standing is one hub's signed opinion.
• A token, a chain, or a DAO.
• The seeder client, the hub, or the library themselves. This PRD adds the specification; implementation is tracked in each repo (§ Requirements lists them).

Users

• A creator or label who wants their own release kept online for a year without running a server, and wants it on record that they are the one who put it there.
• A person keeping a backup who wants three copies of ciphertext held by strangers for 30 days and deleted after, and never wants the strangers to know what it is.
• An open data or open source publisher with a 4 GB installer or a dataset who wants ten seeders paid to stay, and downloaders to pay nothing.
• A seedbox operator or torlink user with disk and bandwidth to spare who wants to be paid for holding swarms, and to see, before accepting, whether they would be holding a stranger's ciphertext or seeding a CC-BY dataset in the clear.
• bittorrented.com as the hub: attestations, offers, the market, and the seedbox rental rail it already runs, with IPTV and other passes sold beside it.
• A c0mpute node that already bids on ipfile.pin and now sees the same offers from any hub.

Requirements

1. docs/openswarm/pay2seed.md and paid2seed.md together specify: the attestation record and basis table; the claim window and requester standing; the offer record, its purchase over x402, and its lifecycle; public swarms, public feeds on ipdb, private swarms; the lease record and slot rules; storage challenges and probes; GiB-month accrual, receipts and payout through ippay; the hub record extension and API; seeder client behaviour; notices and takedown; the ipfile.pin mapping; events; conformance. 1b. docs/openswarm/pay2stream.md and paid2stream.md specify the same for a live channel over iplive: consent for channels with the two rules for licensed feeds; relay offers per relay-hour with a gateway bonus; tickets and listings; presence proofs and the served-bytes ratio; gateways serving standard HLS in clear and sealed modes with an M3U and XMLTV EPG, so any IPTV player works with no new client; gateway-bound vouchers; stopping on a void.
2. docs/openswarm.md lists the four in the family table, the stack diagram, "What it defines" and "What already exists".
3. docs/openswarm/spec.md §11 registers the pay2seed.*, paid2seed.*, pay2stream.* and paid2stream.* record types and their signers.
4. docs/openswarm/cli.md gains the ip seed and ip stream command groups.
5. The /openswarm page on logicsrc.com lists the four among the protocols.
6. Implementations, tracked outside this repo:
   • bittorrented.com (profullstack/media-streamer): the reference hub.
   • torlink (baairon/torlink, via the ralyodio fork): the seeder client. Per-torrent seed time (#186) is the first piece.
   • @profullstack/pay2seed: the shared client (hub calls, records, signing) and the promo surfaces the Profullstack media sites embed.
   • c0mpute: ipfile.pin interop per §11.

UX Notes

• An attestation is one form on the upload screen: what is it, why may you share it, where do notices go. The basis list is a radio group; personal is greyed out unless the swarm is private.
• The market listing shows, for every offer, the basis and visibility in words a seeder can act on: "Open licence (CC-BY-4.0), public, 7.4 GB, 30 days, earns about $1.04". A seeder client MUST show the same.
• A seeder's own view is a table of leases: what, basis, earned so far, next challenge due, ends on. torlink's /downloads grows a lease block per torrent.
• A requester sees, per offer: status, seeders held out of wanted, proven periods, and a spend bar against the budget.

Success Metrics

• A public swarm with an honoured attestation and a funded offer on bittorrented.com is held by its seeders.min within graceHours, and still has that many proven seeders at expiresAt.
• A torlink daemon takes a lease, passes every challenge for 30 days, and is paid out without an operator touching it.
• An ipfile.pin job from c0mpute and a pay2seed.offer from bittorrented.com are served by the same node with one code path.
• A notice against a public attestation ends every lease on it within claimHours and the requester's standing shows it.

Risks & Open Questions

• Sybil seeding. One machine, many keys, one copy. seeders.max, probes to announced addresses, and refusing a shared payout address on one offer bound it; they do not remove it. Open: whether a hub should require a small stake per lease that a failed period forfeits.
• Answer relaying on challenges. A seeder holding nothing can fetch the four pieces inside a ten-minute deadline on a fast link. Probes are the stronger evidence for public swarms; deadlines should scale with piece count. Open: whether a challenge should also demand a piece the swarm currently has no other seeder for.
• Claim window versus liveness. Twenty-four hours before a public offer is listed is a day of nobody being paid. Open: a shorter window for open-license and public-domain bases, which a licence file in the swarm can substantiate.
• Hub as escrow. Budgets sit with the hub for up to a year. A hub going away takes them. Same trust as ippay passes, longer duration. Open: whether budgets should be released to the hub per period rather than at purchase.
• Private and personal swarms are unreviewable by design. Consent is the requester's signature and standing, nothing else. This is stated in the spec rather than hidden.
• Naming. The rest of the family uses ip names. pay2seed is the product name and reads as one to a seeder choosing work; the record types are pay2seed.* so the two never need reconciling.